Cool or not Cool

[ghost]

I'm calling the Swmosportbikes version of TBS for funny, only this has to do with stuntin and cool factor.

[mrbodydrop]

huh?

[ghost]

Sorry...... Poll is up now.

[mrbodydrop]

don't really consider any of that stunting. well maybe about 10 years ago it was.

[t-rock]

don't really consider any of that stunting. well maybe about 10 years ago it was.

Then what do you call it? Typical street riding aka I'm a flaming faggot kunt.

[t-rock]

Sorry. Didn't realize this was in the stunt section. I just hit new posts.

I think stunting is cool, in its time and place. Parking lot stunting is something that I may one day get into. However, bikes going 80 with the front wheel in the air down a busy street is retarded and makes cagers hate the rest of the sportbike riders. Same thing with draggin knee. Awesome while you are at the track and while still cool on the street, it isn't the right place for it.

[mrbodydrop]

Then what do you call it? Typical street riding aka I'm a flaming faggot kunt.

nope in that fashion I would call it being a squid

[mercutio80]

don't really consider any of that stunting. well maybe about 10 years ago it was.

Since I'm not a professional stunter, or even an amateur for that matter, anything that involves ridin on one wheel or the rider leaving his seat is pretty much a stunt.

[Tom]

I generally find it entertaining as long as you're not a complete tool about it, ie, please don't do it on freeways and surface streets in heavy rush-hour traffic, or worse yet hold up traffic. And heaven forbid don't FALL down, whatever you do. That would break my heart! (so says the Gunny)

I admit I tried stunts a few times here and there, and quickly realized that if I wanted to keep my expensive motorcycle looking nice, to lose any aspirations to showmanship :) Doesn't mean I didn't do the occasional wheelstand cresting a hill or step the rear end out coming into a few curves, just that the fancy stuff wasn't my thing. I figured 'better the other fella than me' and so was happy to watch. Only time I ever got complimented on my 'burnouts' was ole Ossifer Schmidt at the old stunt zone - what a twit he was!

Tom

[SpeedyCycles]

don't really consider any of that stunting. well maybe about 10 years ago it was.

+1

F

[mrbodydrop]

Since I'm not a professional stunter, or even an amateur for that matter, anything that involves ridin on one wheel or the rider leaving his seat is pretty much a stunt.

no but for someone in the riding community, and as a member of this board that this has been discussed over and over and over and over and over and over, you should know the difference.:chrbeat

[mercutio80]

no but for someone in the riding community, and as a member of this board that this has been discussed over and over and over and over and over and over, you should know the difference.:chrbeat

I don't see how something can be a "stunt" ten years ago but not be now. It doesn't work that way in my eyes.

You act like every biker out there skeches. It's not true.

And the important thing is public perspective, not what the stunter community thinks.

The local sherrif, the soccer mom, and the mayor would probably agree with my point of view.

[wooley]

Since I'm not a professional stunter, or even an amateur for that matter, anything that involves ridin on one wheel or the rider leaving his seat is pretty much a stunt.


So if I stand on my pegs to give my butt a break then in stunting?


Stunta Steve:D

[mercutio80]

So if I stand on my pegs to give my butt a break then in stunting?


Stunta Steve:D

I was waiting for someone to get me with that one.

[mrbodydrop]

I don't see how something can be a "stunt" ten years ago but not be now. It doesn't work that way in my eyes.

You act like every biker out there skeches. It's not true.

And the important thing is public perspective, not what the stunter community thinks.

The local sherrif, the soccer mom, and the mayor would probably agree with my point of view.

I was waiting for someone to get me with that one.

so if I was to drop my legs off my pegs, rest my feet on the rear pegs, take both my hands off my bars, etc that would be stunting cuz someone views it that way? That's about the lamest thing I have ever heard. This is why I am on here all the time "preaching" about what is a stunt and what is just being dumb. And on the contrary it is important that the public perspective and the "stunter" community are the same outlook on these types of actions. Also, please next time you want to try and imply I was saying something, quote it. Never once did I say every biker sketches or attempts a "stunt". Sorry that you don't see things for what they are. 10 years ago your bike and mine were considered sport touring bikes, but now they are not. Just because you or I don't see it that way doesn't make that decision wrong either. It's called progression and yes stunts progress too.

[mercutio80]

so if I was to drop my legs off my pegs, rest my feet on the rear pegs, take both my hands off my bars, etc that would be stunting cuz someone views it that way? That's about the lamest thing I have ever heard. This is why I am on here all the time "preaching" about what is a stunt and what is just being dumb. And on the contrary it is important that the public perspective and the "stunter" community are the same outlook on these types of actions. Also, please next time you want to try and imply I was saying something, quote it. Never once did I say every biker sketches or attempts a "stunt". Sorry that you don't see things for what they are. 10 years ago your bike and mine were considered sport touring bikes, but now they are not. Just because you or I don't see it that way doesn't make that decision wrong either. It's called progression and yes stunts progress too.


My weak definition of a stunt shows how difficult it is to write laws to discourage things like that. I've heard of people getting pulled over for stretching their legs or taking a hand off the bars. You're right; those aren't stunts.

I consider a wheelie a stunt. I consider an endo a stunt. I also consider scheching a stunt. You can call it personal opinion if you want, but I have a feeling more people would agree.

My point is you are from the stunting community and have progressed far beyond the simple things like power wheelies in traffic. But just because stunting has evolved into something that requires much more skill than the simple endo, that doesn't change my opinion that an endo is a stunt.

I still see endos, wheelies, and scheching on "stunt" videos, too. If they aren't stunts, then why would stunters include them?

I've said everything I can on this matter, and it's obvious you feel strongly about it. I don't want to waste both of our time with a long debate on this, so I'll ask you one more question then just drop out.

What are they if they aren't stunts? Tricks? They aren't a part of every day riding, at least for me.

[mrbodydrop]

My weak definition of a stunt shows how difficult it is to write laws to discourage things like that. I've heard of people getting pulled over for stretching their legs or taking a hand off the bars. You're right; those aren't stunts.

I consider a wheelie a stunt. I consider an endo a stunt. I also consider scheching a stunt. You can call it personal opinion if you want, but I have a feeling more people would agree.

My point is you are from the stunting community and have progressed far beyond the simple things like power wheelies in traffic. But just because stunting has evolved into something that requires much more skill than the simple endo, that doesn't change my opinion that an endo is a stunt.

I still see endos, wheelies, and scheching on "stunt" videos, too. If they aren't stunts, then why would stunters include them?

I've said everything I can on this matter, and it's obvious you feel strongly about it. I don't want to waste both of our time with a long debate on this, so I'll ask you one more question then just drop out.

What are they if they aren't stunts? Tricks? They aren't a part of every day riding, at least for me.
I think the biggest problem is this, nobody was questioning the legality of these actions. Only you. Any riding outside of what the motorcycle was made for will always be illegal, and I won't argue with that. Never have, never will. The question being asked of everyone is whether or not its cool. I can attest that most all pro stunters don't briefly pop up their back wheel and consider it an endo/stoppie without travelling a good distance, or hop off the back of their bike at high speeds and lightly drag their feet and consider it a sketch/skitch without doing it at a low speed off the side of their bike doing circles, or pop the front wheel up at high speed briefly downtown at 10pm and consider it a wheelie without being technical about it. Do I consider these all stunts, no. Does the public eye, yes. This is a popular misconception about stunters vs squids. Squids are not cool period.

[Tom]

Lee and I used to argue this a couple years ago, but we've made peace since then. Heck I've even made peace (kinda sorta) with Casey, and Lord knows that's sayin' something :)

Like I said, I think stunts are pretty cool to watch, and yes, they have progressed. Used to be 20-30 years ago a simple wheelie was considered a stunt. But remember bikes of the 70's were....primitive compared to today's marvelous machines. They had the power, but the most evil temperaments, noodly frames and pogo-stick suspensions. They left a lot to be desired! Motorcycling's never gonna be considered truly acceptable in our inherently Puritanical society - the demon media would never allow it. And therein's our biggest problem - an arrogant media, feeding an ignorant public. And alas, there are often just enough bad apples out there to perpetuate the PR problem. I think there's a definite difference between a squid and a stunter myself - a good stunt rider can be very impressive to watch in the right venue, and a good squid can make a pretty good organ donor with a little luck on their side. The funny thing is a lot of us, no matter what kind of rider we eventually became, we were all probably squids at one time or another - in hindsight I certainly was. I rode laps around town with everyone else trying to pop wheelies and do stoppies, badly enough to be a bit embarrassing in hindsight. At least I wore decent gear :) Fortunately most squids grow up eventually if they don't end up as road pizza.

Maybe its all in who you pizz off that defines a squid or a stunter, huh? :)

Tom

[gsxr1kbob]

i like to do occasional wheelies, stand ups, and endo's. i never do any of these things in heavy traffic, usually back roads and main road with little or no traffic. i always wear a helmet and usually gloves and a jacket. i have been riding motorcycles since i was 6 and have always loved wheelies. i have crashed a couple times and it was not doing any of these things. i think these things are an excellent display balance and control. i personally like to see them. does this make me a squid?

[mrbodydrop]

i like to do occasional wheelies, stand ups, and endo's. i never do any of these things in heavy traffic, usually back roads and main road with little or no traffic. i always wear a helmet and usually gloves and a jacket. i have been riding motorcycles since i was 6 and have always loved wheelies. i have crashed a couple times and it was not doing any of these things. i think these things are an excellent display balance and control. i personally like to see them. does this make me a squid?

nope:D

[airforce1]

i am prob one of the newest members to this site but i think it is safe to say most of us difine stunting pretty close to the same as eachother and i for one think it is SWEET. i myself agree that everything has its time and place but sometimes that time or place may just be on the highway. so be it we have all been the guy or girl that someone said "look at that *******" about before. so who cares. it takes skill and deserves respect.

[JOHNNYSTUNTS]

hey you guys wanna see some wheelies!!!

[JOHNNYSTUNTS]

your lil poll at the top should ask if 500ft stoppies.. combos.. combos cirks.. acros.. and driftin!!! ARE THEY COOL NOT COOL OR WHATEVER YOU PUT!! all those things you named
..WEAK SAUSE

[SpeedyCycles]

Joe Brown going 1000 ft Stoppie was AWESOME! Dark Vader doing no handed circles, looks impossible, Crazy Dan's drifts are the ballsiest thing ever, Harley Jeff Schneider doing it all on a Harley is Bad ass, Hap pulling a no handed coaster the entire length of the stuntzone was sweet... dumbasses doing it in flip-flops in traffic on Glenstone is just annoying and dumb.

F

[mrbodydrop]

Joe Brown going 1000 ft Stoppie was AWESOME! Dark Vader doing no handed circles, looks impossible, Crazy Dan's drifts are the ballsiest thing ever, Harley Jeff Schneider doing it all on a Harley is Bad ass, Hap pulling a no handed coaster the entire length of the stuntzone was sweet... dumbasses doing it in flip-flops in traffic on Glenstone is just annoying and dumb.

F

+1

[Unclutchable]

Joe Brown going 1000 ft Stoppie was AWESOME! Dark Vader doing no handed circles, looks impossible, Crazy Dan's drifts are the ballsiest thing ever, Harley Jeff Schneider doing it all on a Harley is Bad ass, Hap pulling a no handed coaster the entire length of the stuntzone was sweet... dumbasses doing it in flip-flops in traffic on Glenstone is just annoying and dumb.

F

Yes.

[JOHNNYSTUNTS]

Joe Brown going 1000 ft Stoppie was AWESOME! Dark Vader doing no handed circles, looks impossible, Crazy Dan's drifts are the ballsiest thing ever, Harley Jeff Schneider doing it all on a Harley is Bad ass, Hap pulling a no handed coaster the entire length of the stuntzone was sweet... dumbasses doing it in flip-flops in traffic on Glenstone is just annoying and dumb.

F

agreed

[450s1980]

Joe Brown going 1000 ft Stoppie was AWESOME! Dark Vader doing no handed circles, looks impossible, Crazy Dan's drifts are the ballsiest thing ever, Harley Jeff Schneider doing it all on a Harley is Bad ass, Hap pulling a no handed coaster the entire length of the stuntzone was sweet... dumbasses doing it in flip-flops in traffic on Glenstone is just annoying and dumb.

F

owned

[Unclutchable]

/thread then?

[jpimpr6]

so, since I wheelie in traffic and keep it at a steady 40 mph, does that make me a squid??? Just checking to make sure. I would love to see some newbies do a long ass stoppie or ride the rear brake. Do you think all lot stunters just started doing it in lots??? keep it real guys.

[BRAD]

Which bike are you doing these amazing acts on?

[CSmith56]

Joe Brown going 1000 ft Stoppie was AWESOME! Dark Vader doing no handed circles, looks impossible, Crazy Dan's drifts are the ballsiest thing ever, Harley Jeff Schneider doing it all on a Harley is Bad ass, Hap pulling a no handed coaster the entire length of the stuntzone was sweet... dumbasses doing it in flip-flops in traffic on Glenstone is just annoying and dumb.

F

+1 There IS a difference.........

so, since I wheelie in traffic and keep it at a steady 40 mph, does that make me a squid??? Just checking to make sure. I would love to see some newbies do a long ass stoppie or ride the rear brake. Do you think all lot stunters just started doing it in lots??? keep it real guys.

No, it just makes you stupid.



Read it again........

Skitching, endos, wheelies w/ flaming backfires dtown 10p in tshirt shorts, trainers.


All you stunters that are taking offense, "KEEP IT REAL" - "Downtown" - "10pm" - "in tshirts, shorts, trainers (tennis shoes maybe?)"

Nobody is smacking your stunting abilities, but if you are doing it under the three conditions originally stated - you are an IDIOT.


And beyond that, if you are doing it in traffic - you are an IDIOT.




Don't be part of the problem. Be part of the solution.

[BRAD]

+1 There IS a difference.........



No, it just makes you stupid.



Read it again........

Skitching, endos, wheelies w/ flaming backfires dtown 10p in tshirt shorts, trainers.


All you stunters that are taking offense, "KEEP IT REAL" - "Downtown" - "10pm" - "in tshirts, shorts, trainers (tennis shoes maybe?)"

Nobody is smacking your stunting abilities, but if you are doing it under the three conditions originally stated - you are an IDIOT.


And beyond that, if you are doing it in traffic - you are an IDIOT.




Don't be part of the problem. Be part of the solution.


Well done sir.

[Peg grinder]

so, since I wheelie in traffic and keep it at a steady 40 mph, does that make me a squid??? Just checking to make sure. I would love to see some newbies do a long ass stoppie or ride the rear brake. Do you think all lot stunters just started doing it in lots??? keep it real guys.


You got some coaster action?