Mokan Banquet - and Blessing of the bikes all bike drag question.

[UPSMAN]

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It's that time of year again.

The 2004 Mo-Kan Dragway Championship Banquet will be held at Carthage Memorial Hall at 407 S. Garrison on Saturday, January 29th, 2005. Please bring a covered dish. cost "0" and totally casual! bring the family!!!

Doors will open at 4 pm, pot luck dinner at 6 pm, awards to follow. After the awards presentation we will have the hall 'till 11 pm for bench racing. Sure would like to have a full bike table! Get over the winter jitters and get your blood going ! Raffles and givaways too!


Now about the bless of the bikes all bike drag in April at Mokan.
Would it be worth having a "street" only class? I mean Licensed, no bars, no-boxes, footshifted type deal? The regular classes would remain ( race both?) The track owner asked me about comming up with something for the street guys that are always there on T&T nite , but never on race day for $$. Any Ideas? I have until Jan. 1st to get back with him. This is our chance to get something oing for you street riders! lets hear your thoughts?

email me at upsman@cableone.net

Thanks, Rob

[fred martin]

Streetbike to me is anything that can pass inspection and has license. Then is raced like it is ridden on the street.

[COOP1]

I think that would be a awesome deal for the sport bikes. I think as the word got out the turnouts would be very good.

[UPSMAN]

Originally posted by fred martin
Streetbike to me is anything that can pass inspection and has license. Then is raced like it is ridden on the street.

Hey Fred, you know where I stand on the dragbike classifications, but this will be a bike only event. The pro et class will still be on, as well as a pro heads up class, Im just trying to find a way to get the sport guys to start coming out, it could actually help several trax in the area if this HUGE group of riders started coming to regular races.

Now at a regular race where yo might have 10 to 12 bikes I'll go a step further than you and say run what you brung. But this will be a Bike only event, and should be a good turn out if the growth continues as it has. If the street class or? doesnt go, the pro et class will still run, so guys that will show up anyway will not be affected . I'm trying to get #'s. If its good for the track, it will be good for the riders later.

[DrHengle]

Id like to see more bikes there. and I think that it will help promote new riders to the sport that may graduate to a pro class.
The same thing happens at OIR. Alot of bikes at TNT and just a few come race day. Why? I dont know, but anything that may help turnout Im all for.

[fred martin]

The problem with trying to draw the new street bike racer in is that they are scared to go up against something faster then them and they don't want to spend any money. What I mean by not spending any money is that if it ain't free they won't enter. Plus they don't know what bracket racing is. So the only way it will work is if you do it in a class (bike size) type setup for the street bike guys.

As Doc said it was tried over at OIR and didn't turn out worth a crap. If I remember right only 2 people that wasn't regular Friday night guys ended up running. And that was after we ended up making the entry fee either $5 or $10.

I guess the reason I don't like what guidelines you set is because I run a airshifter so I don't have to worry about getting my feet up as quick and have nitrous on it so I don't get into the revlimiter.

I wish MOKAN wasn't so far away (3 hours) and I would run in the bracket program. But for the all bike races I will come down.

[DrHengle]

Well, there are a few of the local new riders that have expressed some interest in going to the track, I guess we will see when the season starts who shows up.. Mabey on race day, they dont understand how an ET bracket works..?? They show up on TNT and get lined up heads up with a big bike and get blown out, I can see how that might dampen the spirits to show up on race day..
Are any of the new/interested riders on here? speak up, what are your concerns about race day? are you going to give it a try this year? Would a street only class spark your interest?

Im with you Fred on the Pro Class, I dont want to see it hurt by adding too many class's, I Dont want to lose the air shifter, N20 (or any other goodies I may have in there this year) to have to step down a class to have enough bikes to run a race. But if there are enough to "do it all" then I say, the more the merrier.

[UPSMAN]

Im with you Fred on the Pro Class, I dont want to see it hurt by adding too many class's, I Dont want to lose the air shifter, N20 (or any other goodies I may have in there this year) to have to step down a class to have enough bikes to run a race. But if there are enough to "do it all" then I say, the more the merrier. [/B][/QUOTE]


Ok to be sure we are all on the same page. The Idea I'm suggesting is only for the blessing of the bikes all bike drag. If we have a Stock class, it would be for trophies. Entry would be close to , or less than a T&T here.

If this class is a go, or not....the Pro ET class will be running for $$ as always. I am also going to suggest, that we take away the index classes( 9.90, and 8.90 ) I think if we run a Street /stock class for trophies to the top 3, and the Pro-ET class ( basically the same way we have been racing at the trax in the area for years) will run for $$ to ? places. and a heads up OPEN class to draw the big boys. In-between run the 2.00 per pass fun runs for those just wanting to make a pass or two. They could even do this and decide to get into a class before eliminations?

I'm not suggesting we split up to make another class. Just trying to get riders there that we otherwise wouldnt have. We MUST do something in this region ( SW MO Area) if we are going to grow ANY kind of bike programs. We have been racking our brains here, as Doc and his crew have been in Ozark.



Worst case is the street guys STILL not show up......the best case is they show up run stock & pro-et, or start coming to the trax on race days. If carl likes the idea ( track owner) I could use some help getting the word out in the Ozark, tulsa, and other areas where the street groups are big. Rob

[DrHengle]

I think it sounds great Rob!! I found a flyer from the centerville all bike drags from last year, They are pulling in the #'s! You may be able to use it as a model to build around.. Mabey for the quick 16 event rather than asking the track to pony up the cash, Get some bike shops to donate to the event and run for whatever...helmets, tires, n20.....just food for thought.
It will be awesome to not have to drive 3 hours to get to a well organized event!

[JasonZX6R]

Darren, I couldnt figure out why that link wouldnt work, so Im trying this !

[fred martin]

What you might also try Rob and Doc (since your the main guy over at OIR) is getting the tracks to allow some bracket races (NO PAYOUT OR ENTRY FEES) for the bikes on regular T&T nights to get the people to realize that bracket racing isn't about being fast.

Maybe something like this for the all bike drags..................

Basic Streetbike ET.. with the guidelines you set Rob.

But you will have to payout money or you won't get anyone to enter.

PRO ET ---anything goes. Class I would run in.

2 Shootout classes---- something such as Bar/No bar class or Street Tire/Slick class. I really like this idea because unless the purpose built dragbike is a slug most of us street guys can't hang with them. And if the 2 class winner are competive have a run off for something extra.


I didn't make it to last years because our baby was do but I will make it this season. I also would pull the airshifter off and put a shift light on the bike to run in the street class aslong as it paid.

[UPSMAN]

I forwarded all the inout to the owner of the track, and let him decide what to do. ( need to get on it so he can start advert.)

The event schedule is up for Mokan ! Put the dates in now while the date book has room !
http://www.mokandragway.com/schedule/

Rob Lewis

[fishingixxer]

Thats funny!!!:rofl I was so scared of the BIG bikes next to my little 600. They practicaly blew me off the track!!!:rolleyes:

That's not the reason people worry about it. People are afraid of killing it or looping it and looking like a tard but not the bigger bikes. If it's a bracket class who cares how fast the bike in the other lane is. Actually my "little" 600 should be more consistant than a bigger bike, with a better rider than me anyway.

I'm not talking smack I'm just saying that's the stuff running through my mind when I go. I think a street bracket class would be great. No shifter, no stretching, no lowering and I think it would be cool.

[UPSMAN]

Originally posted by fishingixxer
Thats funny!!!:rofl I was so scared of the BIG bikes next to my little 600. They practicaly blew me off the track!!!:rolleyes:

That's not the reason people worry about it. People are afraid of killing it or looping it and looking like a tard but not the bigger bikes. If it's a bracket class who cares how fast the bike in the other lane is. Actually my "little" 600 should be more consistant than a bigger bike, with a better rider than me anyway.

I'm not talking smack I'm just saying that's the stuff running through my mind when I go. I think a street bracket class would be great. No shifter, no stretching, no lowering and I think it would be cool.

Thats kinda what I get from the street crowd here. track owner is also looking into a "first timers" race (when?) for cars and bikes who might not understand bracket racing, or just want some bracket experience before coming out to a $$ race.

Get down here in the points fishingixxer! we need more , more , more! could have one hell of a program, and the track owner always takes good care of us.

[Jamie1000RR]

Hey last year was really my first year to race. Yea I got blown away some, but that just made me try harder the next time.
I will be at as many races as I can this year.

[fishingixxer]

A first timer thing would work great I think. What about a day when people could come up and run a fake race. One of you guys could guide people through it and give them tips for launching and overall consistencey. I would go cause I suck but I have a blast on tnt nights. Me, COOP1 and some others will be up there this year.

Also why can't we run against cars on the tnt's?

[fred martin]

Fishinggixxer--I'am not saying your scared, but I have never had anybody pull up next to me and say do you mind racing the next guy because I'am scared that I will wreck.

I do agree with you as far as bracket racing is concerned but most of the newbies don't understand that. Then you have the statement about the smaller bikes being more consistant I don't agree with that. I think its easier to chase the bike down then have to look over my shoulder an try to judge the bike coming on me and keep the bike going down the center of the track.

Which track do you plan on going to the most?


As far as the races goes if lowering and stretching is not allowed you will lose alot of the "sportbike" regulars that would run in StEt.

[DrHengle]

The insurance companies put the stop to the Car vs Bike deal. Even though there was never an incident the just deemed it unsafe. On one hand Id like to get up against a few of the cars and on the other, Id agree and rather not get tangled up with a 2500lb+ car.
Im glad to see some interest here, dragging the street bikes has blown up on the coasts the past few years but has been slow to catch on around here. Thats seems to be how it goes though, the coasts see the trend first and 3,4,5 years later it finally gets to the midwest.:rolleyes:
I think your right about the "big bikes" on bracket day, If I were going to have just a bracket bike and wasnt interested in faster faster faster( I just cant help it). I think a nice 600, front strapped and air/auto shifted with someone that put in the practice time would be just about impossible to beat come bracket day.

The "practice bracket" may be a good idea a Bracket orientation or bracket 101. We can set one up for OIR As soon as I get the dates for oir in, Well do that. Run the bracket just like on race day with nothing at stake.
Doc

[fishingixxer]

Fred what I should have said was I would be better on a 600 considering the launch factor. It seems a 1000 left stock as it would be in the street class would be hard to get consistant numbers out of. I know I would be doing wheelies all over the place!

Doc: I'm with ya homie. I know I need more education on the fundamentals of bracket racing. If it was setup almost like a track school that would be cool.

[fred martin]

Fishingixxer----I don't try to come out of the hole like most of the guys do but my 60' time are consistent. I average 1.8's. I took 1 of the 3 bracket races I was in this year at OIR.

The reason I went with a Busa is because I knew I would want to go faster an didn't have the money to buy something bigger down the road. But now it seems like I just keep buying more **** for it. The year I will be putting a arm on so I can get use out of the nitrous. If I can't hit 9's on it then I will add a airclutch setup since I can't get used to slipping the clutch then a TURBO.




Are you a beginner and are you going to race OIR? Don't take this wrong alright because if you have some seat time I let you make a pass on my bike if you want this season. I have the 02 Silver and Grey busa with some scratches on the right side if you have ever been there before.

[fishingixxer]

I have only one night of drag racing under my belt. It was a blast. I'm not wanting it to be my "thing" but I will go up to hang out and make some passes. Who knows maybe I would catch the racing bug. I would dig the crap out of riding your busa but I would rather take a (semi) relaxing cruise down the road and back.

Hopefully we could plan a rally or some sort of get together with all the guys from here.

[Jamie1000RR]

I ride a 1000rr and I was pretty consistant last year

[Beau "Bo"]

speaking of insurance Dr. do you have to buy some extra protection if you want to bring your bike (or car) on occasion to run at a strip? will it dramaticly raise your rates? are you covered if something were to happen with just regular insurance?

[UPSMAN]

Originally posted by fishingixxer
Fred what I should have said was I would be better on a 600 considering the launch factor. It seems a 1000 left stock as it would be in the street class would be hard to get consistant numbers out of. I know I would be doing wheelies all over the place!

Doc: I'm with ya homie. I know I need more education on the fundamentals of bracket racing. If it was setup almost like a track school that would be cool.

Hey Fred , have you considered running a two step and a lock up?

[UPSMAN]

http://www.mokandragway.com/drag_101/

[DrHengle]

Theres no need for any additional insurance on your bike to go to the track. Only at some sanctioned events do you even have to provide proof of insurance and thats just to quallify for a true street class. As Far as coverage youll have to take that up with your agent.

Once you Know the basics, remembering to do all of them every time you go down the track just takes practice.(using up that $10 worth of attention) Just ask Jamie, He improved 10 fold over the season just with seat time. when certain parts of the pass become instinctual you can spend some of that attention on improving other areas of the game. I go overboard on it, probably borderline obsessive, If there is any dragracing on tv, cars, bikes whatever, Im watching it, mostly just to see the tree. sitting there with my imaginary throtlle and clutch and timing the tree again and again. or here's a nifty little practice tree.
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/nhraxtreesp.html
Ive probably got 1000's of mock lauches this winter.
Practice, practice, practice.

[fred martin]

Rob--------NLR 2 Step is on the shelf waiting to be installed and as far as the lockup goes I will what till I decide if the bike isn't fast enough and purchase one when I get the turbo.

Until this season I really didn't care how fast I went so I kept the bike at stock length, but now I see guys like Doc and a few others run 9's is making me step up my game.


Fishingixxer--------Anytime I'am usually there every friday night.

[fishingixxer]

Sweet. I'll keep my eye's peeled for you. I will be on the yella 600 hanging around a bunch of idiots.

[UPSMAN]

The 2004 Mo-Kan Dragway Championship Banquet will be held at Carthage Memorial Hall at 407 S. Garrison on Saturday, January 29th, 2005. Please bring a covered dish. cost "0" and totally casual! bring the family!!!


Hell Bike guys, we can go to my place after , have a cold one, bench race , look at race video. Talk about the points series and drag racing 101!

[COOP1]

FishingGixxer just say you will be with a few guys with big balls~!

[UPSMAN]

Originally posted by UPSMAN
The 2004 Mo-Kan Dragway Championship Banquet will be held at Carthage Memorial Hall at 407 S. Garrison on Saturday, January 29th, 2005. Please bring a covered dish. cost "0" and totally casual! bring the family!!!


Hell Bike guys, we can go to my place after , have a cold one, bench race , look at race video. Talk about the points series and drag racing 101!

[fishingixxer]

Okay I'll be there with a bunch of guys with big balls and also COOP1