Wow. Not sure I've ever seen more inappropriate use of video to drum up business.

bmonnig · 02-07-2010, 02:06 PM

Warning...the video is not for the squeamish.

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sig...hooting/#video

If any of you know people considering a FrontSite class, I would hope you would strongly urge them to reconsider. It's one thing to use this video during academy training, departmental training, etc. It's another to throw it on your website to pimp your civilian firearm training courses.

What isn't mentioned is that this officer had recently been reprimanded for drawing his firearm during a traffic stop. As such, he was extremely reluctant to do so here. He was afraid of losing his job, and it cost him his life.

How do you think his wife and daughter feel about seeing this video on the web? It's my understanding that the NRA has agreed to pull his adverts from all of their publications. I may be incorrect in this.

JOS51700 · 02-07-2010, 02:18 PM

Using that footage to sell your civilian firearms training course is way over the line.
I'm sure this thread will evolve into a right n' wrong argument pretty quickly.

I agree with Bmonnig on the appropriateness of the video on that site (or lack of). I'm staying out of the rest of it.

Neanderthal · 02-07-2010, 02:27 PM

That officer gave that low-life scumbag way too much latitude. Also, way too many shots were fired. This is one of those cases where the perp does not deserve a trial, just catch him and put him in front of a firing squad, shooting him from the knees upward, slowly until he suffers a long, painful death.

As for Front Sight - their training specifically caters to making sure your shots count. Perhaps the family gave them permission to use this vid?

bmonnig · 02-07-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Neanderthal

As for Front Sight - their training specifically caters to making sure your shots count.

Maybe so, but I can think of infinitely more tactful ways to market such training...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neanderthal

Perhaps the family gave them permission to use this vid?

...unless, this. Truthfully, not something I even considered. If the family has given permission, then no one else should get to complain. They've suffered the most.

Somehow, though, I doubt this is the case.

big74blazer · 02-07-2010, 06:55 PM

they have a banner on armslist or gunlistings that says theyre giving away a "free" XD to help you prepare for whats coming. It shows a picture of a riot police force running. these guys like to use "scare" tactics to drum up business obviously. I think I'll write them an e-mail that says how gay they are.

bmonnig · 02-07-2010, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big74blazer

they have a banner on armslist or gunlistings that says theyre giving away a "free" XD to help you prepare for whats coming. It shows a picture of a riot police force running. these guys like to use "scare" tactics to drum up business obviously. I think I'll write them an e-mail that says how gay they are.

Have you priced out that "free" XD? It's only "free" when you pay for their $1300 (iirc) classes...

BRAD · 02-07-2010, 07:26 PM

Classless IMO

big74blazer · 02-07-2010, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmonnig

Have you priced out that "free" XD? It's only "free" when you pay for their $1300 (iirc) classes...

yes I noticed that I got a good chuckle

big74blazer · 02-07-2010, 07:36 PM

Ignatius@frontsight.com I sent an e-mail to him I'll post the response I get IF I get one.

Doose · 02-07-2010, 09:10 PM

The audio is pretty tough to listen to at the end. I agree that this is a d-bag move on front site's part. No class at all.

SpeedyCycles · 02-07-2010, 11:14 PM

I see what they are going for, but overall just sick. Have we reached this point in desensitization that a majority are okay with this?

bimmerjo · 02-07-2010, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyCycles

I see what they are going for, but overall just sick. Have we reached this point in desensitization that a majority are okay with this?

Some would argue that its the overwhelming amount of violence in video games..........

450s1980 · 02-07-2010, 11:57 PM

i am in shock/amazement of this. i am shaking due to fight/flight syndrome

Tom · 02-08-2010, 01:19 AM

450s, I'm not sure which is more appalling - hearing two men die screaming like that, or your "in awe" response. Really, if you happen to read your post again, I hope you would realize that you yourself did not think before you typed what you did.

Tom

450s1980 · 02-08-2010, 02:17 AM

sorry i edited it

i am in shock/amazement of this. i am shaking due to fight/flight syndrome

02-07-2010, 02:06 PM	#1
bmonnig Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Springfield Bike: none Posts: 5,088	Wow. Not sure I've ever seen more inappropriate use of video to drum up business. Warning...the video is not for the squeamish. http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sig...hooting/#video If any of you know people considering a FrontSite class, I would hope you would strongly urge them to reconsider. It's one thing to use this video during academy training, departmental training, etc. It's another to throw it on your website to pimp your civilian firearm training courses. What isn't mentioned is that this officer had recently been reprimanded for drawing his firearm during a traffic stop. As such, he was extremely reluctant to do so here. He was afraid of losing his job, and it cost him his life. How do you think his wife and daughter feel about seeing this video on the web? It's my understanding that the NRA has agreed to pull his adverts from all of their publications. I may be incorrect in this. __________________ "That's the funny thing about life. It has a way of giving us the test first, and not teaching us the lesson until later." "You sound like a d!ck. You're also wrong, but mostly your problem is that you sound like a d!ck. So even if you were right, most people wouldn't listen to you anyway. Since you sound like a d!ck and all." - Arfcom member Spade, 2-1-10

02-07-2010, 07:26 PM	#7
BRAD Back to Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Springfield Bike: BMW,Aprilia,Suzuki Posts: 17,083	Classless IMO __________________ You'll get so much Brad, that you're gonna dry heave and sh!t.

02-07-2010, 11:14 PM	#11
SpeedyCycles Sponsor, Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Springfield Bike: Race/Pit/Stunt/Dirt Posts: 11,292	I see what they are going for, but overall just sick. Have we reached this point in desensitization that a majority are okay with this? __________________ "Frank wakes up with a hundred ideas every morning. Of the hundred, ninety five are dangerous. Two or three are merely bad. The remaining two or three, however, are simply brilliant." - TOM I'd rather be riding my motorcycle thinking about God ...than sitting in church thinking about my motorcycle." - Bueller Immigration Powersports

02-07-2010, 11:57 PM	#13
450s1980 Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: IN MY MIND Bike: RELEIGH R-500 Posts: 1,459	i am in shock/amazement of this. i am shaking due to fight/flight syndrome __________________ IMO, the act of "true love" is about a lifetime of caring for someone, treating them wonderfully, and trying to be a part of their life that makes them happy and brings them joy. -bmonnig Last edited by 450s1980; 02-08-2010 at 02:05 AM. Reason: i am not a thesaurus

02-08-2010, 01:19 AM	#14
Tom Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: here Bike: human powered Posts: 3,846	450s, I'm not sure which is more appalling - hearing two men die screaming like that, or your "in awe" response. Really, if you happen to read your post again, I hope you would realize that you yourself did not think before you typed what you did. Tom __________________ Terror belli, amicus pacis Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to Hell in such a manner that they actually look forward to the trip...

02-07-2010, 02:18 PM	#2
JOS51700 BunchaBuells Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Batcave. Bike: S1W, FZRD350, MB5 Posts: 10,090	Using that footage to sell your civilian firearms training course is way over the line. I'm sure this thread will evolve into a right n' wrong argument pretty quickly. I agree with Bmonnig on the appropriateness of the video on that site (or lack of). I'm staying out of the rest of it.

02-07-2010, 02:27 PM	#3
Neanderthal Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: man cave Bike: British Posts: 932	That officer gave that low-life scumbag way too much latitude. Also, way too many shots were fired. This is one of those cases where the perp does not deserve a trial, just catch him and put him in front of a firing squad, shooting him from the knees upward, slowly until he suffers a long, painful death. As for Front Sight - their training specifically caters to making sure your shots count. Perhaps the family gave them permission to use this vid?

02-07-2010, 06:55 PM	#5
big74blazer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rolla, MO Bike: K7 GS500 Posts: 1,016	they have a banner on armslist or gunlistings that says theyre giving away a "free" XD to help you prepare for whats coming. It shows a picture of a riot police force running. these guys like to use "scare" tactics to drum up business obviously. I think I'll write them an e-mail that says how gay they are.

02-07-2010, 07:36 PM	#9
big74blazer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rolla, MO Bike: K7 GS500 Posts: 1,016	Ignatius@frontsight.com I sent an e-mail to him I'll post the response I get IF I get one.

02-07-2010, 09:10 PM	#10
Doose Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MO Bike: RC51 Posts: 423	The audio is pretty tough to listen to at the end. I agree that this is a d-bag move on front site's part. No class at all.

02-08-2010, 02:17 AM	#15
450s1980 Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: IN MY MIND Bike: RELEIGH R-500 Posts: 1,459	sorry i edited it i am in shock/amazement of this. i am shaking due to fight/flight syndrome __________________ IMO, the act of "true love" is about a lifetime of caring for someone, treating them wonderfully, and trying to be a part of their life that makes them happy and brings them joy. -bmonnig